Monday, March 30, 2009
THE CHOSEN - Ch. 13 – Pain
In this chapter the four main characters - David, Reuven, Reb, and Danny - experience a great deal of pain. The pain could be physical, mental, spiritual, etc.. or a combination of any or all of the them. Detail for me the "pain" that each of the four characters is feeling.
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Gah! the one time I forget my book! Its in my locker. Sorry, i'm gonna have to do it in the morning. I already looked up to see if I could read the book online but its NOT THERE! Enough excuses, signing off.
So I haven't really done this in a while, and I might be a little rusty...
I think the pain that David is feeling is not only the physical pain that the cold has given him but a real spiritual pain that he endures due to the Zionist movement in general, and what the Jews fighting in Palestine are facing. Reb...I really don't know what Reb is feeling...(*cough*feeling like a douche*cough*). can I say that here?...anyways, If I had to guess, he is feeling spiritual pain due to his son's involvement with Reuven, and his not wanting to become tzaddik(maybe)? Reuven is feeling a mental and spiritual? pain due to all of the things that are happening around him.(the zionist speech, Reb not letting Danny be friends with him, etc.) Danny (my favorite) is felling a combination of the three. He is stressing over his professor and his obsession over expiremental psycology-mental pain. He is stressing over the fact that he wants to join the zionist movement with Reuven-spiritual pain. And he is stressing over the fact that his father won't let him be friends with Reuven-physical pain. Reuven can see in Danny's eyes the anguish that not being able to talk to him causes for Danny. I guess that would be a mental pain as well.
I really don't understand the expiremental psych. What does that have to do with mathematics?
This one wasn't that great. sorry...
Okay, well I just can't believe what happend. I'm so sad and mad at the same time! I think that they are all feeling pain. I mean i don't know if Reb really cares for his son's friendship with Reuven at all now. But he might be feeling the pain spiritually. I mean you know how he is with his religion and now he's not even letting Danny talk, at all, with Reuven, i mean there not even looking at each other anymore. Reuven is definitely feeling the pain emotionally, spiritually, and mentally because i mean he was really becoming great friends with Danny, in fact they were already great friends and now it's all messed up just because Danny had to study Zionism and make a speech and this happened! But i mean why does Reb have to get like that, i mean even Danny was mad. Danny is feeling the pain, in my opinion emotionally, spiritually, and mentally as well, because i know he doesn't want to be ignoring Reuven, they were good friends, i'm sure it hurts him and it definitely hurts Reuven as well. It doesn't seem to be bothering David that much though. I mean he even says, "I brought you together, and now i am the cause of your separation." He does say that he is deeply sorry, but he really wanted to make that Zionism speech, he sort of knew that Reb was going to react that way, but he did it anyway, well because he had to. But in a way it's hurting him physically because he's been sick and well now this stress over Danny and Reb. Because, i should agree, that he does feel bad, but he had to do it. He didn't mean to separate the two, but i happened. But i think it's hurting him physically, spiritually, and maybe even mentally. Reb is probably feeling the pain mentally and spiritually. Because he is strong on his religion, and yes so is Danny, but i don't know if Danny would react that way if it were the other way around...
But, like i was saying, Reuven is definitely feeling the pain. I mean Danny was his best friend, and he didn't know this was going to happen. It was all David's fault, but oh well. We'll see what happens next.
okay well i read this chapter last week on accident so im not gonna go read it again because it was way too long but i'll try to remember what happened.
Okay so the four people go through a great deal of pain if i can remember because they go through a great deal of things. David is still sick, and the biggest thing that they deal with and the zionists and the anti-zionists. im still not really sure what the whole deal is between the two groups but oh well. i guess i'll go look it up after this. so. the two boys are now in college and danny is pissed off about his professor who doesnt like to teach Freud who he has been reading for the past 2 years. Reb saunders is completely against zionism. why he is? i have no idea/ hopefully it tells me later on in the book. maybe i just missed it. i dont know but Reuven's father is getting himself into these speaches for this certain type of society. and now he is into some type of phrase thing where he believes that why should he live if he didnt do anything worth living for. so he joins that speech thing and is going to give a speech to thousands of people about zionism to zionist people. Reb saunders finds out about this and tells danny that he is no longer able to hang out with Reuven. Reuven tells his father about it and then that was the end of the story. the pain about this was the whole zion, anti-zionists and the fact that the best friends are no longer allowed to see each other would be a very painful thing to go through. Especially if you were a jewish citizen living at that time. plus, they were best friends. You can't get any worse than that.
Well for I want to start off by talking abou the the major pain that Danny is feeling, since there is alot of emotion that is going on with him throughout that whole chapter. Dannny and Reuven are both starting college, and although Reuven seems to be having a great experience in college, in the fact that he is really enjoying his teachers and classes, Danny seems to be the one that is having a more difficult time than he thought he would be. Danny really wants to go into the study of phsycology, but his Professor, Appleman, is making all the students do experimental dataanalysis with lab rats. Now on the one hand I have to agree with Danny when he points out that rats have nothing to do with the study of the human mind. That is one problem that he is having, but I think his major fallback is the fact that he studied long and hard on the readings and studies of Freud for two whole years, then he comes into a class and has a professor tell him that Freud is just a waste of time and is not really important in the study of phsycoanalysis. This leaves Danny feeling all downa and depressed, which is also causing him to want to change his major. He talks to Reuven all the time about stupid Professor Appleman, but whenever Reuven tries to offer him advice Danny just blows up at him. David Malter is in the process of holding a major ralley for the Zionist movement in trying to develop a Jewish State in Pallistane. But he is always up late at night every night leaving him tired, restless, and sick. He hasn't been feeling his best the past few months and this side of him really begins to trouble Reuven. Reuven begs him to go to the docotor and have a checkup, but his father always denies. At a point in the story Dave Malter mentioned himself dying to Reuven, which kind of made Reuven uneasy because he had never heard his father talk like that before. Now to get to Reb Saunders, he had to be the most emotional and physically heart renching point in the whole chapter. As we all remember Reb Saunders ramapaged all over Reuven over a comment that Reuven had made to him about Zionism, which Reuven in the end had learned he should never do again. But because Dave Malter held a full rally involving Zionism, that was really the end for Reb Saunders. He could tolerate his son's reading behind his back, and the study of Freud without his permission, he could even accept the friendship that Danny and Reuven had for eachother. But for Reb Saunders to end their friendship over a Zionism rally is harsh beyond all possible belief. It is obvious that Reb Saunders does not agree at all about Zionism, but I don't think we fully understand why. This book is getting really interesting. This has been a great chapter to read and I can't wait to read the next one.
Edward you confuse me with your KB! I thought it was Katherine. Anyway...Danny is all upset about how he has take experimental psychology and that he doesn't like the method of teaching. Reuven is feeling the pain from not spending time with his dad. He's busy working on the rally and he doesn't get to see him a lot. Also Reb freaked out about the movement and is inflicting pain on Reuven and Danny's relationship. He's forbidding them to see each other or talk to each other. After the years that they'd been friends he forbids contact. Also Reuven and his dad are going through social pain. Reuven is being avoided at school because of his and his father's pro-Zionism.There is a lot of pain in this chapter.
David feels pain from his sickness. He is sick and wont go to the doctor yet because he is speaking to people about Zionism. Reuven is experiencing emotional pain at the end when he finds out that Danny is not aloud to talk to Reuven anymore because his father found out about his father being a Zionist. Reb feels spiritual pain i guess you could say. i think he feels like he was taken advantage of and lied to. He must really hurt, he had so much trust in Reuven and David and then he found out about David and i guess hes hurt, it probably would of been better if he had told him straight up instead of him finding out the way he did. Danny is feeling mental pain about not being able to study phsycioloy because of the lack of material at the college. Later he finds out why when he talks to a professor there about there not being any book and comes to understand his point of view on the matter.
I believe that the character David is experiencing a little bit of both but more spiritual pain because of all the things that are occurring at this moment with the Zionists movement. And he is also hurt mentally because he can't go see his friend during this time and he misses him a lot and this is causing him another pain in the heart. Reb is definably spiritual because he is really into the all the religious aspects going on right now and he won't even let his son talk to his friend because of the separate belief views. Reuven is defiantly feeling the pain emotionally because he can't see his friend and this is causing him some major distress.
Everyone feels pain in this chapter. It is sooooo sad. it makes me a little sad....so sad i fell asleep while reading this chapter but i finished it this morning.
Danny and Reuven probably feel the same pain because according to Reb Saunders they can no longer be friends. The reason they can't be friends is because David Malter made a speech about Zionism and Reb feels that his son should not hang out with David's son because he doesn't agree with what he says. Danny and Reuven had become the best of friends so when all of a sudden this friendship has to stop i think it hurt them both emotionally and causes a lot of internal pain. David doesn't seem to care as much as i thought he would, he says that he is sorry but it just doesn't seem like he is. All David seems to care about now is that he is dying, HOW SELFISH. "Mah name is daddadaddavid and i only cares about mahself, i'm dying. blah blah zionism blah." this is just so much pain i can't handle it.
ok here we go. In this chapter everyone seems to be going through something but nobody will talk about it to one another. The pain that David is going through- if it is really pain- is that he is working himself so hard that his body is deteriorating. I think he is also going through some spiritual pain in his Zionist quest to give his life and the slaughter of so many Jews meaning. And he probably is feeling some emotional pain over seeing his son in such anguish over being separated from his friend. Reuven and Danny are feeling the same emotional pain because of their breakup, and both of the boys suffer because of it. Reuven starts getting bad grades and Danny gets noticeably thinner. Danny also feels spiritual pain because he wishes to join the Zionist movement but cant because of his dad. Umm im not sure what kind of pain Reb is feeling, he's been pretty stoic about everything except the holocaust. I suppose he is feeling spiritual pain over the Zionist movement that he believes is an abomination, and maybe some emotional pain for not being able to speak to his son yet forbidding him to associate with the Malters? idk, laters.
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